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Post by WickedWishes on Mar 30, 2004 18:10:27 GMT -5
I am in Tennessee, and I do not know if this made national or world wide coverage. If not,....FYI news.harmony-central.com/News/2004/Gibson-PRS-Case.htmlCheck out the above link. If this is a re-post, or old news to some, my apologies. If not,...whoa...!!, check it out,...!! WickedWishes |
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Post by Steelpriest on Mar 31, 2004 15:59:20 GMT -5
Funny, that this identic post was removed immediately on the official Epiphone forum site... Oh boy! What are they afraid off? Well I mean the whole affair is almost ridicolous. Both, the censorship on the Epiphone site and sueing each other because of copyrights on a single cutaway... what if someone claimed he had a copyright on a car with 4 wheels? Hehe, would this mean we had cars with 3, 5, 6, ... and so on wheels? But on the other hand this decision bears the danger that affordable Gibson copies except from Epiphones will maybe vanish from the market. But again they will shoot the gun in their own knee... A young guitar player that wants a Les Paul badly, but can´t afford one won´t be able to buy a copy, except from an Epiphone and even those are not cheap for beginners. What will this beginner do now? RIGHT, he might buy a PRS or Stratocaster copy or an affordable Mexico Strat. What will he do once he is older and has money in his pocket and made up his mind to stick with the guitarplaying? RIGHT! He will buy an original PRS or Fender or Ibanez or whatever... I mean I just like Epiphones and Gibsons but I can´t agree with those aggressive politics, neither the censoring of their own forum nor the practics of sueing competitors.
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Post by WickedWishes on Mar 31, 2004 18:11:22 GMT -5
Steelpriest,...
Yeah,...I know,...*sigh*
I just looked in on the "official Epiphone site", and to my surprize, my post about Gibson VS. PRS was not there anymore.
Actually, I support Gibson and its endeavours to protect its copyright and trademark. (as Gibson has the legal right to do) However, I do take issue with the censorship that I have now been subject to. (seeing that my post has now been deleted)
What is Gibson afraid of,..?? (I wonder??)
adverse publicity,...??
What is Gibson trying to hide,..??
What I posted was a matter of public records, where anyone that had the interest could find out the exact same information.
I love my new Epi-LP, I plan to purchase another in vintage sunburst, and one day I hope to own a few Gibson LPs.
BUT CENSORSHIP,...??
*shaking head*
Duh Huh,...??
Yes, I know that Fender did the same thing a few years back, bringing lawsuites against those that they perceived to have made a "copy" of the Fender Strat, and Tele. As well, I would have supported Fender in protecting its trademark and cpoyrights. (again as it is their legal right)
But I wonder how many posts were deleted from the Fender site for posting about lawsuites either pending or finalized....??
I am now trying to decide wether to post another comment on the "Official" Epiphone site, or just let sleeping dogs lay.
Untill I make my decision, I again want to sincerely thank you Steelpriest, for building this site where we can speak freely about our interests and loves of guitars and guitar equiptment.
Yeah,..I still love my Epi-LP, and I still have respect for the parent company Gibson, but I have lost any and all respect for the moderators of the "Official" Epiphone site.
Censorship is the beginning to the end of all freedoms.
WickedWishes
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Post by Steelpriest on Mar 31, 2004 23:48:11 GMT -5
Censorship is the beginning to the end of all freedoms. WickedWishes That´s exactly why I decided to establish this here. I was arguing on the "offical" site and I thought some of the members over there already thought I was a grumbler or heckler, but in any case I am an adult person, though I sometimes behave as if I were not, lol... and I wanna speak my mind. Repression of opinion is the beginning of the end. Conversation and exchange of opinion even if it´s controverse is one of the most important goods we have. I´m still on the Epiphone forum from time to time, but I gave in to argue around... the one that has no ears, only the power to delete, is not a good arguing partner. So arguing with the mods is waste of time. All you get out of them are pre-made wordings that they post.  |
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Post by Ol Geezer on Apr 5, 2004 13:52:23 GMT -5
Does anyone else find it hypocritical of Gibson that while they're suing to protect their original Les Paul design ideas their Epiphone subsidiary has produced knockoffs of Hofner's 500/1 violin ("Beatle") bass (as the Viola) as well as Fender's Stratocaster (as the FAT210/310) and Telecaster (as the T310)?
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Post by Steelpriest on Apr 5, 2004 18:04:22 GMT -5
Ah, Geezer... you were faster than me! I thought about this for a couple of days...  |
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Post by samicksg on Apr 6, 2004 6:51:37 GMT -5
I have to agree, it does seem hypocritical of them...However I can't understand why they would attack PRS. I mean how many of those LP models have you seen??? I've never seen one in person. Again, thanks for building the site steelpriest, I too am sick of being censored over at the epi forum |
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Post by Steelpriest on Apr 6, 2004 7:00:49 GMT -5
Again, thanks for building the site steelpriest, I too am sick of being censored over at the epi forum I´m still on the official board, but I only post on appreciated topics. I will not miss out Bob Skippy, Heliman and Guild. Their comments and wisdom are worthwhile! But I´m sick and tired off messing around with the mods! Plus we have a GALLERY of guitars, lol... ;D |
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Post by ZacAttack on Apr 8, 2004 19:48:21 GMT -5
Interesting topic here. I won't say if I agree or disagree with Gibson. But I will say IMO I think its all about the $$$. PRS guitars are higher priced than Gibsons are around here.( Ft.Worth Texas) Maybe Gibson is thinking that if PRS is making sooooooooo much money on its own stuff (which has to cut into Gibson in some way) then leave the Gibson stuff to Gibson.
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Post by Ol Geezer on Apr 8, 2004 20:09:16 GMT -5
Interesting topic here. I won't say if I agree or disagree with Gibson. But I will say IMO I think its all about the $$$. PRS guitars are higher priced than Gibsons are around here.( Ft.Worth Texas) Maybe Gibson is thinking that if PRS is making sooooooooo much money on its own stuff (which has to cut into Gibson in some way) then leave the Gibson stuff to Gibson. I think you hit on it.... |
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Post by WickedWishes on Apr 10, 2004 7:26:54 GMT -5
Speaking of $$$$
I will be keeping my eyes open, and when I can, I will up-date this post when information is obtained on damages and ammounts awarded.
WickedWishes
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Post by zep on Apr 13, 2004 20:18:20 GMT -5
Geezer definately has it right, but I wanted to add a few comments:
It's understandable that Gibson wants to protect the Les Paul design-afterall, it's probably their bestsell by far and they don't want PRS to copy their design it's obviously about money, but Gibson should have some claim on their design. It's not like a car with four wheels, that would be like saying no one else can make a guitar with humbuckers (even more vague than that) but it is hypocritical that Epi has a strat and tele model.
I'm no copywrite expert so I don't know how close PRS can get without infringing on the laws, but I would hate to see all the major guitar companies have monopolies on their "styles." It would eliminate all those cheap copies and get rid of all those minor companies.
BTW, I am submitting a copywrite tomorrow on shirts so after tomorrow no one will be allowed to wear a shirt unless they want to be sued ;D ;D
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Post by jukes on May 17, 2004 12:39:23 GMT -5
why don't they sure jay turser?they make a lp copy,and every other manufacturer that makes a knock-off.squire also www.squierguitars.com/gear/gear.php?node_id=2261but oops! prs is also in the high end market. and fender better sue every manufacturer out there the strat is copied by everyone |
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Post by supedupviper on May 17, 2004 20:02:20 GMT -5
wow, I never knew Squier made LP copies
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Post by mandough on May 18, 2004 10:20:05 GMT -5
I have played a few of the PRS Singlecuts, and feel like Gibson isn't just trying to make sure that noone else has a design like that---they're afraid PRS will totally blow the Gibson product away. After playing a few, I can say that they have good reason to fear. The PRS outdid Gibby's LP at every turn, IMHO  The other reason has to be the money, as if Gibson ain't fat enough from overcharging for a Standard by $800, but in America, why take what you need when you can take it ALL? Oh well, screw 'em BOTH ! ! GO IBANEZ! ! ! |
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