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Post by chrisgrimes on May 16, 2004 4:24:28 GMT -5
Hi Guys,
What are your opinions on modelling guitars, you know, Line 6 Variax etc, more microchips loaded in them than you can shake a stick at, one guitar programmed to be able to re-create sounds of the great guitars, there are also accoustic modelling versions.
The younger guys may think of them as a wonder, I have to say, I view them as a threat to tradition !! In MOHO there are accoustic guitars, there are semis and and there are solid boys, each with their own characteristics and all serving their own purpose.
I tried one in a local guitar store, the usual crowd of nu metalheads seemed impressed but I put it down feeling it to be cold and with no character of its own.
Peavey have launched a 3 pick up jobbie in a tele kind of mould that just has an accoustic modelling chip which I can admit could be useful.
What do you guys reckon, are these a sign of the future or are they "the enemy" of tradition ??
Chris - UK
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Post by wierdsley on May 16, 2004 9:54:26 GMT -5
Hey Chris...I have not had any experience playing any of the modeling guitars but I don't think that they really do go against tradition really. There have always been lots of new guitars and gadgets for guitars and that is a good thing. It does not mean that the traditional guitars will be shoved aside, at least not for long anyway, look at LPs and Strats and Teles. They will be here forever because they are great guitars. Modeling guitars will probably find a market niche but I don't think they will replace the classics...electric guitars did not wipe out acoustics, right.  I have used some of the modeling amps and have found them to be fun but they do not stand up to an old Bassman or Marshall...at least in my humble opinion. I have had some fun with the V-Amp too. |
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Post by mandough on May 19, 2004 20:10:47 GMT -5
They do feel a bit soulless, but in the studio, they could be a God-send ! ! You could switch guitars on every verse of the song, and not have to stop and overdub. I know there's no way they will beat out the classics, but if you close your eyes while playing, the sounds REALLY come close, and if you consider how many great guitars are programmed into it, one of these would save you thousands of $$$ by letting you get the sound without the huge guitar collection.
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Post by samicksg on May 26, 2004 6:10:49 GMT -5
Gotta agree, very convienent in the studio. However, I don't see myself with one...
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Post by heliman on Jun 5, 2004 14:39:09 GMT -5
I believe it is just another tool in the toolbox. Things always change. There are those that think that there is only one correct pedal or amp or wood, or whatever. How much would it cost for you to assemble the following stable of instruments? ... 1960 Fender Telecaster Custom 1968 Fender Telecaster 1968 Fender Telecaster Thinline 1959 Fender Stratocaster 1958 Gibson Les Paul Standard 1952 Gibson Les Paul “Goldtop”<br>1961 Gibson Les Paul Custom (3 PU) 1956 Gibson Les Paul Junior 1976 Gibson Firebird V 1955 Gibson Les Paul Special 1959 Gretsch 6120 1956 Gretsch Silver Jet 1968 Rickenbacker 360 1966 Rickenbacker 360-12 1961 Gibson ES-335 1967 Epiphone Casino 1957 Gibson ES-175 1953 Gibson Super 400 1959 Martin D-28 1970 Martin D 12-28 1967 Martin O-18 1966 Guild F212 1995 Gibson J-200 1935 Dobro Alumilite Danelectro 3021 Coral/Dano Electric Sitar Gibson Mastertone Banjo 1928 National Style 2 “Tricone”<br> I can tell you ... a few months ago you could get them all for $499 at Guitar Center! Are they perfect? Not my any means! Are they good and useful? Heck yea! Just my humble opinion, which is subject to change, without notice, Heliman |
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Post by chrisgrimes on Jun 6, 2004 9:49:52 GMT -5
Hi Heliman
You make your point well, over here the range of guitars you can "impersonate" is detailed almost as well as you do it.
Doesn't change it with me personally, Don't like em !!
Thanks any way
Chris
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Post by cage77 on Jun 6, 2004 13:27:42 GMT -5
IMHO, the first line of the VAriax felt cheap. The neck and the body just felt cheap and cold when I played it. It was like they packed a lot of cool stuff into a cheap guitar from Walmart. Now, I haven't played the new ones, but even they leave a lot to be desired visually. The small inlays look cheap. Hopefully it feels better. Of course, now you can pop over to Warmoth and order a strat body and neck that work with the electronics. Kind of a waste imo tho. Why spen a grand on a guitar that you're just going to spend 500 more on to replace the wood?
Besides my personal view, I think that the thing will find its place. It's great for the gigging guitarist who needs 7 different guitars on stage, but doesn't want to bring a stable out. In the home studio I can find it useful, but if I was working in anything above that level, I would either rent or borrow the right guitar.
Of course, I feel the same way about modelling amps. They sound close, but are still far from the mark. Nothing beats the physical feel or tone of an analog instrument into an analog amp.
The Variax is cool....and a very interesting idea. I might buy one down the road just for kicks.
Brandon
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Post by gearhead41 on Jun 7, 2004 20:13:41 GMT -5
Modeling will only get you so close to true tone. I continue to learn that lesson daily...
maybe someday I'll have the $$$ to upgrade to analog pedals and all tube amps, but for now...
I'm riding the modeling train! LOL
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I have used some of the modeling amps and have found them to be fun but they do not stand up to an old Bassman or Marshall...at least in my humble opinion. I have had some fun with the V-Amp too.
