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Post by hcoll on Sept 30, 2004 20:08:04 GMT -5
FBI ordered to turn over Lennon files
Professor has waged 20-year battle to get documents
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- The FBI must turn over the remaining secret files on Beatle John Lennon to a professor who has waged a more than 20-year legal battle to get the documents, a judge ruled.
U.S. District Judge Robert Takasugi rejected government arguments Tuesday that releasing the last 10 pages would pose a national security risk because a foreign government secretly provided the information. The government was not publicly identified.
Jonathan Wiener, a professor at the University of California, Irvine, sued the U.S. government for the documents in 1983 under the Freedom of Information Act. He received 248 pages in 1997 as part of a settlement.
The previously released files, which were gathered from 1971 to 1972, include memos detailing Lennon's donations to a group planning to demonstrate at the 1972 Republican National Convention. But they contain no allegations Lennon was involved in planning or committing illegal acts.
Wiener, a historian, originally sought the files for his 1984 book, "Come Together: John Lennon in His Time." After the 1997 release, he wrote "Gimme Some Truth: The John Lennon FBI Files."
His battle with the government went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.
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Copyright 2004 The Associated Press.
...the last 10 pages pose a national security risk...foreign nation...okay it's the UK...dough...ya know what it really is...we're finally gonna find out why the Gibson J-160E sounded so good on all those recordings...........
...what I hope it isn't...more naked pictures of Yoko Ono..............
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Post by JoMan on Oct 1, 2004 11:15:16 GMT -5
yeah, two virgins was enough
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Post by Jimboe on Oct 1, 2004 12:57:57 GMT -5
Maybe her name should have been Yucko Ohno!
Jim
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Post by ZacAttack on Oct 2, 2004 16:22:19 GMT -5
Maybe her name should have been Yucko Ohno! Jim What did he evere see in her? |
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Post by hcoll on Oct 2, 2004 22:41:27 GMT -5
...Cynthia Lennon wanted to be a good, middle class English housewife...Yoko Ono was an avant-garde artist...JL considered Yoko his muse...that is to say...an inspirational spirit for his composing art............
...I know what you're thinking...but bear with me...........
...JL had a lot of psychological problems due to his mother's early death while he was young...the absence/abandonment of his father...raised by his aunt...poverty...etc...living in the fish bowl of fame would only magnify/intensify those problems.............
...the sudden influx of wealth manifested a spending spree around 1965...JL amassed an unbelievable amount of stuff...one of which was a suit of armor that stood in the hallway of his house...it's actually featured in Klaus Voorman's collage on the cover of the Revolver album...the spree only stopped when Bob Dylan told JL that he too went through a similar episode...that it did no good to satisfy his unfullfilled desires..............
...we recognize this in G.A.S....we're never satisfied...all we need is one more guitar/amp/pedal...we'll be happy...right..........
...like Dylan...Yoko was someone who JL considered his equal...someone he could confide in...tell his problems to...seek inspiration from................
...what I'd be willing to bet the last 10 pages are going to show is Hoover's FBI trying to protect the youth/society of America from what it considered a sociopath... a wierdo with unprecedented wealth & influence...who floutted the narcotics laws of the UK & the US to achieve his art..............
...that the last pages haven't been released will probably be embarrassing to the Bureau because it will reveal a knee jerk reaction by a federal agency that over-stepped its bounds with investigations/wiretaps ad nauseum into the private lives of two peculiar artists...national security risk...I don't think so..............
...that being said...I do not advocate the use of illicit drugs...never have...........
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Post by noeljob on Oct 2, 2004 23:53:11 GMT -5
too political. sounds like john lennin/ yoko marx to me. no offense. just not a big beatles fan, but they wrote some good music. harrison was my fave.
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Post by hcoll on Oct 3, 2004 18:22:31 GMT -5
...too political...in what way...the Bureau...like all other Federal agencies...is supposed to be above politics...by law..........  ...it wasn't politics...JL had a criminal record...possession of pot...when he & yoko applied for US citizenship...but that doesn't mean they were a national security risk.........  ...marx?...better go read the words JL penned to the song "Revolution"...or..."Revolution Number One" on the White Album...the slow version...easier to follow.......  ...funny you should drag Communism into this...during the Cold War years...the Communists were contemptuous of western rock & roll in general...The Beatles in particular...they were after all...wealthy Capitalists............ ;D |
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Post by noeljob on Oct 4, 2004 11:10:56 GMT -5
didnt mean to rattle your cage coll. i just cant stand yoko ono. what did he see in her anyway? just having a little fun. peace. no more john lennon jokes.
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Post by hcoll on Oct 4, 2004 11:48:57 GMT -5
...not a problem...my cage is neither shaken nor stirred...........
...whad he see in her...I'm sure the other three were wondering the same thing............
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Post by JoMan on Oct 4, 2004 14:51:13 GMT -5
as were and still are millions of beatle fans.... but, well, when love hits you it hits you, i guess... funny, there is a quote form JL himself talking about rock'n'roll which goes like "I had no idea of music as a way of life until Rock'n'Roll hit me and when Rock’n’Roll hit me, that changed my life!" so I'm using a lennon quote about rock'n'roll to talk about yoko.... does that mean yoko is an equivalent of rocknroll or something?  ;D ;D ;D alright, now another one comes to my mind, it is from around the time when the two of them got married and i think it's just simple and very nice, quite lennonish i guess: "But now my life has changed in oh so many ways - a wap ba balooba, a bim bam boom." haha.... I've spent weeks writing down all kinds of beatle stuff and quotes for my final school exams last spring. |
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Post by hcoll on Oct 4, 2004 19:42:17 GMT -5
...think we can all agree...forget Yoko...Cynthia was cute...but next to Yoko...Cynthia was gorgeous...nuf said...... .......... ...got a funny story to tell about JL...it comes from Sports Illustrated...of all places........... ...first a little background for the unintitiated...early in 60's was a time for the car culture...cruisin'...etc...in 1965...at the age of 24...JL got his drivers license................ ...fast forward to 1967...JL buys a Rolls Royce Phantom V and has it painted up...pyschadelic...flower power...in retrospect...it looks like an escapee from the circus parade........... ...Sgt Pepper's had been released...the Beatles were recognized as the most technically advanced musical group around...JL was recognized as the most prolific (wrote books as well) singer/songwriter of the group...first to use feedback in a recording...et al.....  ............ ...the story...actually it was a little blurb that caught my eye back then.......... ...JL is driving around London with a SI reporter...as they drive the reporter notes that JL grinds the gears a lot during shifts as they turn corners/go up a hills/etc......... ...SI reporter..."John...do you ever use your clutch to change gears?"................. ...JL..."Clutch?"...................... |
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Post by JoMan on Oct 5, 2004 12:19:46 GMT -5
do you know the one where he was following Brian Jones in his car (but Brian didn't notice)? John had loudspeakers on the outside of his car and siad something like "Mr. Brian Jones, slow down, this is the police" or whatever, maybe even drugsquad, dont remember. Brian was quite terrified for a second....
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;D ;D ;D
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