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Post by cage77 on Jun 6, 2004 13:49:56 GMT -5
HOLD ON!!!!!! I do not believe that that is actually an Epi!!!
Take a look at these few things.....minor or not, these are not standard on Epi LP's (I checked out mine and the one the other guitarist in my band has....)
1 - The split diamond inlay on the headstock. Look at the top and bottom edges of the bar in the middle of the diamond. On her's, the bottom edge points from the middle of the A tuner to well below the bottom of the B tuner. On mine, as well as others I've seen, The bottom edge of that same bar points from the top of the A tuner to the middle of the B Tuner. The top edge is also off.
2 - The pickguard bracket. From the pictures here, and the pics on the Epi site, it really appears as if the edge of the pickguard lines up really close to the boddy. On mine, as well as others, there is about 1/2 inch space even at the narrowest point. The bracket itself even seems funny.
3 - Look at the pic with her in the studio. Now look at the top strap button. Is it just me, or does the body look really thick??
Poor workmanship maybe....but this looks really fishy!!! BTW, while looking into those pics, I also noticed that she, as well as some instigators have only 1 post, or a handfull of nothing but crap.
Now, if this is real, then there is a problem. I checked my epi's and have found no presence of particle board. But really folks, this is a hoax....
Brandon
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Post by tekrek on Jun 6, 2004 14:19:36 GMT -5
I agree with cage77...
I just heard back from a friend who I e mailed these pics to.He is a "master carpenter" now he doesnt know a thing about guitars he does know "wood"...he said the first thing he noticed was the neck joint-all the "gobs of glue"in there,if the joint was ever held together with clamps and pressure to obtain a strong bond the glue would have spread out and not just globed there!!!He also said this type of material on the top is used as "cost cutting" and in no way would affect the strength of the guitar."Possibley one of the reasons we can buy these guitars at less tha 1/3rd the cost of a real gibby"..I also noticed the differences in the headstock diamond inlay and mine is also above the A tuning peg....And as for the claim of the neck just coming "OFF" I personally don't beleive this fo a Minute!!!"Epiphone will still get my hard earned dollar"
This is a HOAX!!!!!
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Post by Steelpriest on Jun 6, 2004 15:09:28 GMT -5
The more I think about it I might agree with you two... hopefully it is really a hoax...  I noticed also that those people who posted on the official Epi forum are almost newbees with no reputation... hmmm, don´t know what I shall think...  |
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Post by tekrek on Jun 6, 2004 15:11:34 GMT -5
I would just like to add...
This laminate is in no way cardboard and in my opinion probally used because it can be formed under pressure and not having to either hand form or machine form the arch top...just my opinion....I still have not lost faith in epiphone.Even if this is a real epi "which I dont think so"
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Post by cage77 on Jun 6, 2004 15:32:13 GMT -5
BTW.....look at the tuners. Those are kidney bean Grovers....or Grover knock offs. Another guy pointed it out over on the other site....
BTW....this has already found its way over to Harmony-Central.
Brandon
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Post by zep on Jun 6, 2004 16:03:00 GMT -5
Whew  I've been away from the guitar news network for only a couple of days and look what's been going on. I casually strolled into the Epi forum (like I do every couple of weeks or so) to see if anything new was going on and apparently its been a busy weekend. I can only say wait it out until we see the "official" response. You get what you pay for, but $600 USD or so should go farther than that. Some people have expressed their belief that this isn't a real Epi, which I'm sure we would all like to believe, but nothing is certain yet. Thanks to all who posted, its nice to know other people's opinions though this is still a fuzzy situation. |
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Post by jeje on Jun 6, 2004 16:07:22 GMT -5
Now I've never owned a custom, but I have to agree after reading the parts about the inlay and body thickness, and the pickguard bracket, that they seem odd.. The trussrod cover isn't supposed to cover the headstock inlay like that? Hope this is an isolated incident, but it does look like a fake(to my untrained eyes, at least)  |
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Post by cage77 on Jun 6, 2004 16:11:16 GMT -5
I thought about that truss rod cover plate covering the ends of the diamond, but I gave it the benefit of the doubt thinking maybe, just maybe, I was seeing a trick of light. But, maybe not. It really does look as if the cover ids indeed covering some of the inlay....
I dunno.....I still think it's a hoax.....
Brandon
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Post by zep on Jun 6, 2004 17:08:19 GMT -5
Where's Smooth when we need him  an official response from Epiphone/Gibson on Monday would be nice, but I'd like to hear from someone who works for them and would possibly know about something like this. |
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Post by tekrek on Jun 6, 2004 17:21:44 GMT -5
BTW.....look at the tuners. Those are kidney bean Grovers....or Grover knock offs. Another guy pointed it out over on the other site.... BTW....this has already found its way over to Harmony-Central. Brandon All three of my Epi's came with Grover kidney bean tuners....I dont want to offend anyone but don't most "Knock Offs" come from Korea,China.? It would make sence to copy a mid level guitar rather than a true Gibson...Just like the guy who walked into my shop about three weeks ago trying to sell me a "REAL ROLEX" for $100 with a made in Korea tag on the back!!!I think this girl was sold a nock off of a epiphone.. |
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Post by samicksg on Jun 6, 2004 21:06:52 GMT -5
UNBELIEVABLE!!! I leave for a few days and look what I come home to!
Geez I REALLY hope this is proven fake...But if its the real thing bye bye epi hello Fender! I wanna see what customer service says in responce to this.
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Post by JoEpiWong on Jun 7, 2004 0:25:31 GMT -5
Call it sixth sense, spidey sense or wahtever, but there's something that is just not right with this whole thing. Looking at the girl, and what she (purportedly) has written just doesn't seemed to connect or add up. The writing feels like a 'guy' thing. I know, appearances can be misleading but looking at her petite looks and that about-to-smash-guitar pose looks too 'posed'. If thsi whole Epi-sode was genuine, I would certainly make a big hooha about it with Epiphone first rather than come here to the forum. Epiphone would have compensated her or at least, give her a replacement. Her course of action is simply not logical nor rational. Anyway, I have a white custom and I noticed that the spilt diamond inlay on mine doesn't reach or touch the truss rod cover. Mine does not have Grover tuners (made in 02) and the tuners are tulip-shaped. As for the body thickness, mine seems much thinner and the one that she has looked very thick indeed. You can check out my LP custom at sg.f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/panzer241959/album?.dir=/39d1&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//sg.f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/panzer241959/my_photosto compare.  |
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Post by heliman on Jun 7, 2004 0:32:11 GMT -5
Just to let you know, they all aren't like that! Here is a picture of my neck pickup cavity (taken for your viewing enjoyment and my curiosity):  Thin veneer, carved maple cap, and mahogany body ... just as I had hoped for! Now I guess I need to find some sealer. Respectfully yours, Heliman P.S. Thanks for the welcome! Next time I promise I won't make such a grand entrance.  |
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Post by Steelpriest on Jun 7, 2004 4:10:57 GMT -5
Hehe, Heliman! I and I think most of us are happy to have you here now... but couldn´t you drop in bringing some good news instead of this bummer? Anyway, welcome aboard Heliman!  |
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Post by chrisgrimes on Jun 7, 2004 7:06:35 GMT -5
G day everyone
I am now totally convinced this is a "con" maybe not deliberately perpetrated by the little chicolina in the photo but I reckon she needs to change her managment or roll a grenade thru the door of the store she bought the "thing" from.
Chris - Dover UK
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I noticed also that those people who posted on the official Epi forum are almost newbees with no reputation... hmmm, don´t know what I shall think... 
I've been away from the guitar news network for only a couple of days and look what's been going on. I casually strolled into the Epi forum (like I do every couple of weeks or so) to see if anything new was going on and apparently its been a busy weekend.
an official response from Epiphone/Gibson on Monday would be nice, but I'd like to hear from someone who works for them and would possibly know about something like this.
