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Post by Steelpriest on Jun 12, 2004 2:02:40 GMT -5
Just vote. No new rants or discussions, no new conspiracy theories...  A week went by, what do you think now after things calmed down a bit? |
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Post by JoMan on Jun 12, 2004 2:05:25 GMT -5
well, being the optimist I am, I still think that Epiphone is trustworthy enough. We can't expect high end stuff for the 500 bucks we pay, but i really doubt that there is any cardboard in real Epis.
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Post by Gregzy on Jun 12, 2004 2:20:39 GMT -5
The idea that the guitar in question is counterfeit is a plausible explanation but by Rosenberg's own admission the so-called counterfeiting is rampant and Epiphone has been aware of it for some time. Why didn't they warn people if they knew? Why did they remain silent until their ass was on the line? It seems to me with all the outlets available to buy Epiphones, ie: online dealers, E Bay and other auction sites, as well as locally there's a good chance some of these counterfeits made their way into the American and probably even more likely into European and other Asian marketplaces yet Epiphone rermained silent knowing if confronted with a counterfeit guitar it could bail out by declaring it a forgery. I don't think that shows much concern beyond their own interests by Epiphone.
Greg
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Post by jeje on Jun 12, 2004 7:15:41 GMT -5
I would think that it's in Epis own interest to warn about fake guitars.. Someone buys a bad Epi (fake, but doesn't know) they'll rant about epi, not knowing that it's a fake.. If the buyer knew it was a fake, epi wouldn't be getting the flame, but rather the sellers and copymakers..
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Post by tekrek on Jun 12, 2004 8:00:57 GMT -5
I voted I trust Epi.  Never believed that was a real Epi. |
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Post by JoMan on Jun 12, 2004 10:21:42 GMT -5
well, if they had told people that there are a number of fakes out there, they would have made people overduely cautious, and people might have been afraid to buy Epi products.
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Post by jeje on Jun 12, 2004 10:45:47 GMT -5
true, true.. Well, now the cat is out of the bag.. Now all they can do is tighten QC, which is good for us customers  |
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Post by RB on Jun 12, 2004 11:28:04 GMT -5
I voted I trust Epi. Never believed that was a real Epi. I'm the same as tekrek, took one look at the pictures and knew it was a fake..... Epi stands behind there guitars and we as Epi owners, should stand behind Epiphone...... |
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Post by zep on Jun 12, 2004 17:26:39 GMT -5
They say to only buy from an authorized dealer, and if not, then you have no warranty or guarentee that the instrument will perform properly. I suppose that's not blunt enough and people will buy from other sellers if it's cheaper (and then there's the whole used market)...so I dunno, you take a risk not buying from a good dealer, but there's only so much that Epi can do about counterfeits. They probably figured that since the fakes aren't being sold outside of Korea that it wasn't a big deal to warn the rest of the world.
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Post by chrisgrimes on Jun 13, 2004 2:43:50 GMT -5
Hi All
Have to confess I went one way then the other, but glad all is now resolved, I guess we should all observe the following.
"If something seems too good to be true, then it almost certainly is !!"
No more comment on this issue from me...... Let's move on.
Chris - UK
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Post by cage77 on Jun 13, 2004 19:34:43 GMT -5
You know, from the moment I saw that guitar I felt something was wrong. Very wrong. When I was in the Army, a friend of mine and bandmate was sent over to Korea. He went on and on about how cheap he could get guitars and so on. He brought one home with him. It was beatiful. Basically a White LP Custom with Rising Sun inlays. (Moon over mountains type thing). Two years ago, his dog knocked that guitar over. Broke the neck. Guess what??? Fiberboard top. Amazingly enough, it sounded really good. HE ended up having his wifes father, a luthier, re set and repair the neck. Still plays great, but....he ended buying a Gibson after playing mine.
The small things - tuners, odd pickguard, odd pickguard bracket, wierd inlay, were what set me off. They were the same as on my friends.
I still respect Epiphone. Yes, they build cheap guitars. (I.E. Inexpensive...well, and cheap in some regards.) I never expected to get a Gibson out of my Epi. Mr. Rosenburg did a great job by coming and clearing this up. For those who still have doubt's, let them doubt. Those are the folks who will never believe it to be a fake. Damage control?? HEll yes it was. And anyone owning a business would do the same thing.
There were quite a few "newbies" (i.e. very few posts...1 or 2 for the most part) over at the Epi site that incited this entire thing. When someone tried to reason with them, they went off in childish tirades.
Anyhow....I've got work to do. I know my Epi's are good and solid and have yet to fail me. That thing was a fake. I stated it before J Rosenburg said anything, I said it while he did, and I still satnd by it.
Brandon
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Post by dennisobell on Jun 14, 2004 11:33:29 GMT -5
I certainly applaud Jim "EPI" Rosenberg for his quick and well-spoken response to what was an extremely explosive corporate "event." Certainly a near-catastrophe for the company as well as it's loyal customers.
I do, however, think that a lot of positives will come from this:
-It will certainly keep Epiphone "on its guard" to crack down on potential counterfeiters more vigilently and prevent something like this from happening again.
-Based upon a lot of comments from the forums (the "official" one as well as this) I think that Epi will, in the future, be a lot more specific and forthcoming with it's customers on their product's construction techniques and specifications. This will better educate their customers and make Epiphone continue to earn their customer's repect.
-Call it a necessary by-product of this infomation age, but the fact that something like this can spread so quickly makes forums such as this one a very powerful and worthwhile tool. Having this connection with the corporate world only increases a healthy competitive market.
Sorry, I'm getting off my soap-box now. . .
Dennis
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Post by monkey77 on Jun 14, 2004 14:58:11 GMT -5
Well, the folks over at the epiphone forum have not only seen fit to delete my posts, but I'm no longer welcome since they refuse my log-on. Censorship is alive and well over there obviously. In regards to this thread I too applaud the epi rep but I'm disappointed that it took this fake to bring a response.
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Post by samicksg on Jun 23, 2004 16:02:02 GMT -5
I trust 'em...If I didn't I wouldn't have bought one. GO EPIPHONE!!!!!!
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Post by hcoll on Jun 23, 2004 20:06:47 GMT -5
...Epiphone produces a quality product...I'm sticking with them........
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A week went by, what do you think now after things calmed down a bit? 
